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Cell Phone call from Flight 93 said to have been made in Illinois ?




Todd Beamer's phone call was definitely recorded according to all accounts.
Tom Burnett's phone call as well.
Jeremy Glick's call, too.

Theses are the three longest and central phone calls of the flight.
First of all let's state that the claim that they have been recordd is exactly what one would expect if the FBI was listening in during theses calls. This was the case in all three calls according to many media accounts and Jere Longman's book "Among the Heroes".

Due to an interesting question of Astro3 I checked out the Commission Report and found something noteworthy.
While Betty Ong's phone call is always in the footnotes referred to as "transcript" (indicating that the Commission used the transcript of this recorded call) this is in none of the any call from UA 93 the case! the Commission refers in its footnotes only to interviews of recipients of the call never of an actual recording.

This of course leads to the question:
Do any recordings of theses phone calls exist?
And if not how is this explainable?





i dont know how Airphone handles its call data, but if it is like on digital cell phones, then the time stamp and phone number are recorded digitally.
cell phone companies are required to keep records of ALL calls for at least 3 years.
NOTE: these are not recordings, but digital information for billing and other purposes.
Now, Airphone is (and was) digital, but i am not sure if they log the call data the same way.
The interesting thing is that the LOCATION can be determined as well, by triangulation of which cell sites (ground stations) were used, and how strong the signal was. i wish i could get my paws on the original data from the airphone calls, this would be quite interesting.
I am guessing, but i doubt that the calls were recorded unless they were being handled at the Airphone emergency center.
Another interesting bit of info , and question, is that the Airphone calls were handled in Illinios.
It would be nice to know how many emergency call centers Airphone had and their location in 2001
If they had one on the east coast, and the call went to Illinios, i can only guess that for some reason the calls were made IN illinois.
Something that may backup this theory, is that there is a report of a cell phone call which was routed to Illinios.

I am a cell phone engineer,
a cell phone emergency call (911) should be routed to the LOCAL police !

To me, this is a smoking gun that (at least) this call was MADE FROM illinios !


http://physics911.ca/org/modules/weblog/details.php?blog_id=65

http://analysis.batcave.net/cell_phones.html

http://img151.echo.cx/img151/1443/faaprot93etc2px.jpg

in the first section, it says that at 10:05 STATE POLICE recived a
9-1-1 call from a passenger who reported hijackers with knives...

more on cell phones and 9/11


Brad
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Zaphod 36
No time information seems to be correct here.
When Illinois received the 9-1-1 call, then I guess this call must be done from AA77. The radar contact of this plane was lost in this area. Maybe the call was at 9:05 am, because Illinois in summer has another time zone(?).
The radar contact of UA175 to FAA is lost at 09:30 am. This means that Flight 175 didn`t crashed the south tower and landed potentially at Johnstown Airport at this time???

What`s the source of this report?


flanbeard

Brad:
that image-clip excerpt was involved in a World Net Daily series which spurred ongoing controversy:

wnd.com/images2/faa911memoside.jpg
http://911review.org/brad.com/sept11_cell-phones/faa911memoside.jpg

Also, a Wayne Madsen page references the entirety of the clip as an "original FAA memo" and provides the fuller content than yours of the same Executive Memo WND published.

http://911review.org/brad.com/ISRAELI_ART_STUDENTS.html
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/Artstudents.htm

World Net Daily article
Hijacker shot passenger on Flight 11: FAA memo
'One bullet fired,' killing 9B occupant, but agency claims report was in error Posted: February 27, 2002

An internal Federal Aviation Administration memo summarizing the September 11 hijackings says a passenger aboard American Airlines Flight 11 was shot to death by a single bullet, WorldNetDaily has learned.

The FAA claims the memo, time-stamped September 11 at 5:30 p.m., was written in error.

"It was a first draft," said FAA spokeswoman Laura Brown in a phone interview today. "There was no gun."

She said a final draft of the executive summary, received by FAA Administrator Jane Garvey, does not include the account of a gun being fired aboard the plane, which slammed into the first World Trade Center tower not long after departing Boston.

Brown refused to release the final draft, however, arguing it is "protected information."

WorldNetDaily has obtained a copy of the first draft of the memo, which can be viewed here.

Here is the key excerpt, which is very specific (although the time is plainly wrong):

"The American Airlines FAA Principal Security Inspector (PSI) was notified by Suzanne Clark of American Airlines Corporate Headquarters, that an on board flight attendant contacted American Airlines Operations Center and informed that a passenger located in seat 10B shot and killed a passenger in seat 9B at 9:20 a.m.

"The passenger killed was Daniel Lewin, shot by passenger Satam Al Suqami. One bullet was reported to have been fired."

In fact, Flight 11 had already crashed well before 9:20 a.m. (assuming the FAA memo writer was referring to the Eastern time zone and not a later one). At 8:25 a.m. ? nearly an hour earlier than stated in the memo ? Flight 11 had turned sharply off its planned westbound path and headed south toward Manhattan. It then crashed into the north tower at 8:48 a.m.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26626

Note; Sperry questions the time mentioned in the "memo."

a Sierra Times piece: Guns on AA Flight 11 Based Upon Questionable Data By J.J. Johnson - Sierra Times.com Published 03. 1. 02 at 2:27 Sierra Time states

"WND does illustrate how both the FAA and American Airlines denied knowledge of the document - one saying it was never sent, and the other saying it never was received. Sierra Times questions the authenticity of the document as a whole."

http://911review.org/brad.com/archives/passenger_shot_FAA_memo.html
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/03/01/arjj030102.htm



This article is not meant to criticize World Net Daily, as they did report that both sides of the matter denied transmission of the document, leaving the questions lingering about the document's original source. But with so many timeline errors, The Sierra Times has concluded the entire document as suspect and has no merit as evidence to the events of Flight 11, including the fatal shooting of passenger Daniel Lewin in seat 9B.

http://911review.org/brad.com/archives/passenger_shot_FAA_memo.html
http://www.sierratimes.com/02/03/01/arjj030102.htm


I was led to do all of this when I discovered a puzzler in Brad's image in the line: Two selectee passengers (Christine Adams and Nicole Miller) were boarded on this flight with no unusual behavior noted per the air carrier personnel and screeners."

I had to find out more about the names noted as 'selectee passengers.'

A search produced a listing of victims which didn't include Christine, but Christian Adams. It should be, Christian Adams, 37, Biebelsheim, Germany, foreign sales manager, German Wine Fund.

http://911review.org/brad.com/archives/passenger_shot_FAA_memo.html
http://www.boston.com/news/daily/13/victims_list.htm

Later, after my first post of this, I found:

FAA official claims gun memo not draft
Managers checked 9-11 report for accuracy and 'nobody disputed' Flight 11 shooting Posted: March 7, 2002
By Paul Sperry
... But Brown points out that, given the multiple jumbo-jet crashes and catastrophic attacks on the country that day, the information-gathering process at the operations center was unusually chaotic, leading to several errors ? only one of which was the gun account.


Indeed, the same Flight 11 summary containing the gun incident said the jet crashed at 9:25 a.m, when in fact it hit the first World Trade Center tower at 8:48 a.m. In another error, United Airlines Flight 93 passenger Christian Adams' name is misspelled as "Christine."

Still, these errors are perfunctory by comparison. There's a big difference between confusing weapons and causes of death, and mixing up times and spellings of names, skeptics point out.

Sources familiar with what happened that day in FAA's emergency operations center say information was coming in at a frenetic pace. As new pieces of data arrived, they were written down on paper and posted on a "status board" for the four flights. At the end of the day, one or more staffers summarized all the information on the board in a report.

The gunshot account "was recorded factually from what was on the wall containing all the information we had at that point in time," the FAA source involved in the process said.

The shooting passage is the most specific in the report:

"The American Airlines FAA Principal Security Inspector (PSI) was notified by Suzanne Clark of American Airlines Corporate Headquarters that an on board flight attendant contacted American Airlines Operations Center and informed that a passenger located in seat 10B shot and killed a passenger in seat 9B at 9:20 a.m.

"The passenger killed was Daniel Lewin, shot by passenger Satam Al Suqami. One bullet was reported to have been fired."

Apart from the time, many of the details check out.

The passenger seating matches that of the airline's manifest. Clark in Fort Worth did contact FAA Principal Security Inspector Janet Riffe in Washington, though both deny discussing a gun.

"We do not know where that got its life in this summary written for Jane Garvey," said American Airlines spokesman John Hotard.

Also, an American flight attendant on the plane did call and report a passenger being killed by hijackers seated in rows 9 and 10  although the passenger died of stab wounds, according to the FBI's account of what she said. And she called Logan International Airport in Boston, however, not American's system operations control center at Fort Worth. It was another American flight attendant who called Fort Worth, but she apparently did not mention a passenger being killed.

The FBI, which got the manifest from American within hours of the first crash, denies it was the FAA source for the gun story.

And officials at the bureau say they have come up with no evidence in their investigation of the hijackings to suggest any passengers were shot aboard the flights.

"There is no evidence that any shots were fired at any time on any of the flights," FBI spokesman Bill Carter told WorldNetDaily.

So how did a detailed account of a shooting on Flight 11 end up in a high-level government report?

"In any investigation, there is information that may be developed very early on that, after further scrutiny and further investigation, is determined to be no longer operative," Carter explained.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26732

So, now my puzzlement has grown even more since the times in the memo are questionable.







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