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High velocity blast damage inside the Pentagon, and no jetfuel fire damage

In subsequent discussions on Gerard Holmgren's Flight77Witnesses article at indymedia.org, there is a further point of significant interest. A number of witnesses in the PentagonAttack mention the smell of cordite (very different from the smell of kerosene) and a shockwave (very different from an impact and fire):

The airliner crashed between two and three hundred feet from my office in the Pentagon, just around a corner from where I work. ... I walked to my office, shut down my computer, and headed out. Even before stepping outside I could smell the cordite. Then I knew explosives had been set off somewhere. [WWW] McSweeney's

A personnel attorney at the Pentagon, Goldsmith was riding a shuttle bus to work on Tuesday, Sept. 11, when she learned of the attack on the World Trade Center. ... "We saw a huge black cloud of smoke," she said, saying it smelled like cordite or gun smoke. [WWW] Jewish Bulletin News

[WWW] Witnesses in the Pentagon, mostly military men, describe a shockwave and a blast; only explosives give a shockwave; there is no shockwave from a crash and fire:

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Air Force Lt. Col. Marc Abshire, 40, a speechwriter for Air Force Secretary James Roche, was working on several speeches this morning when he felt the blast of the explosion at the Pentagon. His office is on the D ring, near the eighth corridor, he said. "It shot me back in my chair. There was a huge blast. I could feel the air shock wave of it," Abshire said. "I didn't know exactly what it was. It didn't rumble. It was more of a direct smack. [WWW] WP

Lt. Col. Ted Anderson : "We ran to the end of our building, turned left and saw nothing but huge, billowing black smoke, and a brilliant, brilliant explosion of fire." [WWW] MSNBC

Anger and guilt still sear Lieutenant Colonel Michael Beans who shakes his head ruefully and asks himself why he survived: "Why you, not them? Who made that decision?" ... Inside the Pentagon, the blast lifted Beans off the floor as he crossed a huge open office toward his desk. "You heard this huge concussion, then the room filled with this real bright light, just like everything was encompassed within this bright light," [WWW] AFP

Donald R. Bouchoux, 53, a retired Naval officer, a Great Falls resident, a Vietnam veteran and former commanding officer of a Navy fighter squadron, was driving west from Tysons Corner to the Pentagon for a 10am meeting. He wrote: At 9:40 a.m. I was driving down Washington Boulevard (Route 27) along the side of the Pentagon when the aircraft crossed about 200 yards (should be more than 150 yards from the impact) in front of me and impacted the side of the building. There was an enormous fireball, followed about two seconds later by debris raining down. The car moved about a foot to the right when the shock wave hit. John Bowman, a retired Marine lieutenant colonel and a contractor, was in his office in Corridor Two near the main entrance to the south parking lot. "Everything was calm,' Bowman said. "Most people knew it was a bomb. Everyone evacuated smartly. We have a good sprinkling of military people who have been shot at." [WWW] US Army

Stars and Stripes reporter Lisa Burgess was walking on the Pentagon's innermost corridor, across the courtyard, when the incident happened. "I heard two loud booms - one large, one smaller, and the shock wave threw me against the wall," she said. Burgess, reporting by telephone from the scene at about 4 p.m., said that five hours after the blast, still no one was able to get into the building. After the first casualties were removed, no one was brought out of the building, either dead or alive. [WWW] PStripes

In light traffic the drive up Interstate 395 from Springfield to downtown Washington takes no more than 20 minutes. But that morning, like many others, the traffic slowed to a crawl just in front of the Pentagon. With the Pentagon to the left of my van at about 10 o'clock on the dial of a clock, I glanced at my watch to see if I was going to be late for my appointment. At that moment I heard a very loud, quick whooshing sound that began behind me and stopped suddenly in front of me and to my left. In fractions of a second I heard the impact and an explosion. The next thing I saw was the fireball. I was convinced it was a missile. It came in so fast it sounded nothing like an airplane. [WWW] Rains

updated information from Cliff Hughes Via John Kaminski aug 2005

Lets look at those eyewitnesses again. These are the ones who say they saw the 757 hit the Pentagon.
Q. What about all the eyewitnesses that said they saw the 757 hit the Pentagon?

I came up with a list of roughly 110 named individuals who have claimed, at one time or another,
to have witnessed something flying near,
headed towards, and/or crashing into the Pentagon on the morning of September 11, 2001.
However, nearly three dozen of these individuals held off telling their tales
until long after the official version of events
had thoroughly penetrated the American psyche, leaving roughly 75 people who claimed,
in the hours and days immediately following the attack,
that they had witnessed the event.

Consider the following list of self-described witnesses:

Gary Bauer, Paul Begala, Bobby Eberle, Mike Gerson, Alfred Regnery, and Greta Van Susteren.
Many of them need no introduction, but let's run through the list anyway:
Gary Bauer: Talking head and former Republican presidential candidate
who has been linked to the notorious Project for a New American Century.
Paul Begala: Democratic Party operative and nominally liberal punching bag on CNN's "Crossfire."
Bobby Eberle: President and CEO of GOPUSA, a portal of right-wing propaganda.
Mike Gerson: Director of George W. Bush's speech writing staff.
Alfred Regnery: President of Regnery Publishing, another portal of right-wing propaganda --
one that has seen fit to bestow upon the world the literary stylings of Ann Coulter,
the Swift Boat Veterans, and numerous other accomplished liars.
Greta Van Susteren: Nominally liberal legal analyst for Fox News.

All of the people on that list share at least one thing in common: they are all professional liars.
It is their job, individually and collectively, to lie to the American people. On a daily basis.
They are, by any objective appraisal, propagandists for the state.
So if all of them are selling the same story, in the face of compelling evidence to the contrary,
it is probably best to assume that they might not be telling the truth.

Let's take a look now at some of the other people that are hawking the same story:
Dennis Clem, Penny Elgas, Albert Hemphill, Lincoln Leibner, Stephen McGraw, Mitch Mitchell,
Patty Murray, Rick Renzi, James Robbins, Meseidy Rodriguez,
Darb Ryan, Elizabeth Smiley, and Clyde Vaughn. And who are they? Allow me to handle the introductions:

Dennis Clem is a Deputy Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency.
Penny Elgas sits on the FDIC Advisory Committee on Banking Policy, alongside of Jean Baker,
who just happens to be the Chief of Staff at the Office of President George H.W. Bush.
Albert Hemphill is a Lt. General with the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization.
Captain (now Major) Lincoln Leibner is a communications officer for Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.
Stephen McGraw is a former U.S. Department of Justice attorney reborn as an Opus Dei priest.
Colonel Mitch Mitchell serves as a CBS News war spinner military consultant.
Patty Murray is a United States Senator (D-Washington).
Rick Renzi is a United States Congressman (R-Arizona).
James Robbins is a contributor to National Review, a national security analyst,
and a Senior Fellow at the American Foreign Policy Council

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I'm not sure exactly who Meseidy Rodriguez is, but his name appears in legal filings
concerning Dick Cheney's top-secret energy policy meetings, which probably isn't a good sign.
Vice Admiral Darb Ryan is the Chief of U.S. Naval Personnel.
Elizabeth Smiley is an intelligence operations specialist with Civil Aviation Security at FAA headquarters --
which means that she is one of the people who inexplicably failed to perform their jobs on September 11, 2001,
possibly because she was busy watching phantom jetliners crashing into the Pentagon.
Brig. General Clyde A. Vaughn is the deputy director of military support to civil authorities --
which means that he is another one of the people who inexplicably failed to perform their jobs on September 11, 2001,
possibly because he was also busy watching phantom jetliners crashing into the Pentagon.

Anybody see anyone on that list that they would want to buy a used car from? No?

How about Colonel Bruce Elliot or Major Joseph Candelario? Or Lt. Cols. Stuart Artman or Frank
"Had I not hit the deck, the plane would have taken off my head"
Probst? Still no? Then how about Elaine McCusker, a Co-Chairman of the Coalition for National Security Research?
Or retired Naval Commanders Donald Bouchoux or Lesley Kelly?
How about Shari Taylor, a finance manager at the Defense Intelligence Agency, or Philip Sheuerman,
the Associate General Counsel for the U.S. Air Force?

How about any of the names on this list:
Bob Dubill, Mary Ann Owens, Richard Benedetto, Christopher Munsey, Vin Narayanan, Joel Sucherman,
Mike Walter, Steve Anderson, Fred Gaskins and Mark Faram?
Aside from claiming to have witnessed the attack on the Pentagon, what do these ten people have in common?
We'll get to that in just a moment, but first let's hear from Mr. Faram,
who is, it will be recalled, the gentleman who captured the two famous shots of the alleged aircraft debris
that many investigators have inexplicably spent countless hours
trying to match up with images of various American Airlines aircraft fuselages:

I hate to disappoint anyone, but here is the story behind the photograph.
At the time, I was a senior writer with Navy Times newspaper. It is an independent weekly that is owned by the Gannett Corporation
(same owners as USA Today). I was at the Navy Annex, up the hill from the Pentagon when I heard the explosion.
I always keep a digital camera in my backpack briefcase just as a matter of habit.
When the explosion happened I ran down the hill to the site and arrived there approximately 10 minutes after the explosion.
I saw the piece, that was near the heliport pad and had to work around to get a shot of it with the building in the background.
Because the situation was still fluid, I was able to get in close and make that image
within fifteen minutes of the explosion because security had yet to shut off the area.
I photographed it twice, with the newly arrived fire trucks pouring water into the building in the background ...

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Right after photographing that piece of wreckage,
I also photographed a triage area where medical personnel were tending to a seriously burned man.
A priest knelt in the middle of the area and started to pray.
I took that image and left immediately ... I was out of the immediate area photographing other things within 20 minutes of the crash.
To say that Mr. Faram's account of his actions that morning strains credibility would be a gross understatement.
Imagine this scenario: you are a reporter for a major news service, and you happen to find yourself, purely by chance,
among the first on the scene of the most significant news story in decades
-- one that would occupy all of the media's time for weeks to come.
Would you be at all surprised to find a triage area already set up and staffed by medical personnel and a priest?
And, more importantly, would you just take a quick look around, snap off a few quick photos, and then hurriedly leave the scene,
because there was apparently something else to photograph on the other side of town -- like maybe a really important dog show?
Despite the dubious nature of Mr. Faram's account, he did at least provide us with some useful important information --
specifically, that USA Today and Navy Times are both part of the Gannett family of news outlets. Actually, if Faram weren't so modest,
he would have noted that Gannett
also publishes Air Force Times, Army Times, Marine Corp Times, Armed Forces Journal, Military Market, Military City, and Defense News.
In other words, it's just your typical independent, civilian media organization.

Having established that, let's now take a look at who our group of mystery witnesses are
(or who they were at the time of the Pentagon attack):

Bob Dubill was the executive editor for USA Today.
Mary Ann Owens was a journalist for Gannett.
Richard Benedetto was a reporter for USA Today.
Christopher Munsey was a reporter for Navy Times.
Vin Narayanan was a reporter for USA Today.
Joel Sucherman was a multimedia editor for USA Today.
Mike Walter was a reporter for USA Today.
Steve Anderson was the director of communications for USA Today.
Fred Gaskins was the national editor for USA Today.
Mark Faram was a reporter for Navy Times.

Is it just me, or does anyone else detect a pattern here?
Bob Franken: What can you tell us about the plane itself?
Tim Timmerman: It was a Boeing 757, American Airlines, no question.
Franken: You say it was a Boeing, and you say it was a 757 or 767?
Timmerman: 7-5-7.
Franken: 757, which, of course ?
Timmerman: American Airlines. Franken: American Airlines ...

And who exactly was this witness who was so ****sure of his identification of the plane?
No one seems to know. One researcher (Jerry Russell)
failed in his efforts to verify that he is an actual person.
Pictures and info from; davesweb.cnchost.com/

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