Pentagon Crash

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Following specialists contributed to a summary on the collapse of the crash and collapse of the Pentagon: Eastman,Dick, Eric Hufschmidt, Gerard Holmgren , ENDIMION, Plaguepuppy and some unmentioned sources for various reasons. (Please check out the references to them for further analysis)

Possible Conclusions:

1) Other than AA77 hit the building 
2) remote-controlled plane hit the building 
3) missile hit the building 
4) collapse forced by other than plane 
5) passengers "killed" somewhere else 
     Compare: (See Barbara Olsen) 

The supporters of the Non-Crash at the Pentagon analysed the possibility, that Flight 77 was rerouted and landed at Reagan International, while a fighter with a small missile hit the Pentagon. Reagan Airport is less than two miles away from the Pentagon. In case of a crash into the Pentagon, Flight 77 would most likely have missed the target. It was a proven fact, that control tower people remarked that the performance of the blip they were following was that of a jet fighter. Another fact is, that early photos before the "collapse" like of Emmanuel Ratier (Le Monde) showed that the the lawn was not dusty or any light poles or light bulbs had been destroyed.

The best analysis sources on the Pentagon Crash: Investigative updates from APFN (->). http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm Democratic Underground (DU)- 911-Terrorist Folder: Democratic Underground - Post Your Pentagon Crash QUESTIONS Here!!!! (Part 1) http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/4566.html (Part 2) http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/5067.html (Part 3) http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/5103.html (Part 4) http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/5290.html (Part 5) http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/5368.html (Part 6) http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/5394.html (Part 7) http://www.democraticunderground.com/duforum/DCForumID43/5585.html

"This french book": In early 2002, a french book and website at asile.org (->) failed to win his mission to "hunt the boeing". Many 911Skeptics discussed, if the author was even manipulated by US-disinfo agents to distract the 911Skeptic scene.

Gerard Holmgren and his analysis on the eye-witnesses Finally, a much deeper and more convincing analysis by Holmgren,Gerard in October 2002 helped to combine the final dots on the Pentagon Crash. The official version made no sense anymore. The Pentagon-crash analysts located a few fake pictures or staged photos, which are listed at: geocities.com/killtown/
killtown.911review.org amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/ humanunderground.com/11september/pent.html www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr. "A government hack, but nice site". www2.hawaii.edu/~julianr. www.bosankoe.btinternet.co.uk/

Other sources: www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html 

Many victims from AA77 had direct or indirect military connections: Calley, Suzanne (CISCO) Flagg, Wilson "Bud" (retired Navy admiral and retired American Airlines pilot) Hall, Stanley (director of program management with Raytheon Co.) Jack, Bryan (senior executive at the Defense Department) Jacoby, Steven D. "Jake" (Metrocall Inc., a wireless data and messaging company) Keller, Chandler Raymond "Chad" (Project Manager with Boeing Satellite Systems) Robert Penniger, BAE (connected with Saudi/Bin Laden brother accounts) Ploger III, Robert R (software architect with Lockheed Martin Corp. ) Raines, Lisa J. (a Lobbyist for Genzyme, a biotechnology company) Ruben Ornedo, 39, of Los Angeles (propulsion engineer with Boeing Co. ) Taylor, Leonard (technical manager at XonTech, a research and development firm specializing in sensor technologies for defense and industry) Yamnicky, John D. (worked on the development of the F/A-18 fighter jet) Yancey, Vicki ( former naval electronics technician, worked for a defense contracting company) NOTE: Inside the Pentagon "only" nine employees of defense agencies died. Three army contractors worked for Booz-Allen (->) : Furthermore, Ernie Willche worked for the Army General Counsel. Terry Lynch worked more than 15 years for Sen. Richard C. Shelby (R-Ala.) Full list of Pentagon victims: recordonline.com/archive/2001/09/16/xa0722.htm

More sources on Flight Data and Cockpit Voice Recorder: reseauvoltaire.net/actu/conflit3.htm asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs.htm "
...searchers found the flight data and cockpit voice recorders in the wreckage of the plane that hit the Pentagon on Tuesday, September 11. 

The recorders are in the possession of the Federal Bureau of Investigation. The National Transportation Safety Board is providing technical assistance in reading the data on the recorders, which are currently at the NTSB laboratory in Washington, D.C. 
defenselink.mil/news/Sep2001/b09142001_bt425-01.html

Devils Advocate NZL, DU analysis on Time Discrepancies of Attack and Security Cam Video: "The plane was moving at 1.25 miles per second, that's over 400 feet per frame of video capture at a given 15 frames per second. The time of the video tape is off probably for the same reasons. The images cover a span of four one-hundredths of a second. That can't be right! At that rate, the security camera would be taking 125 frames per second! Movies are 24 frames per second and TV is 30 frames per second. Why the hell would a security camera have a framerate of 4-5 times that of movie and television? They must mean that each image itself covers a span of 4/100ths of a second, giving a total 2/10ths of a second for the entire sequence. If the captions document the date and time it was catalogued, why does the clock part read: (1) 17:37:19 (2) 17:37:19 (3) 17:37:21 (4) 17:37:22 (5) 17:37:23 

Officials could not immediately explain why the date typed near the bottom of each photograph is September 12 and the time is written as 5:37 p.m. The attack happened at about 9:37 a.m. on September 11. Officials said it was possible that the date and time were added the day after the attack when they may have been catalogued for investigative purposes..." NOTE: CNN wrote that "at 9:43 a.m., a hijacked Boeing 757 slammed into part of the 29-acre complex used by uniformed and civilian employees of the U.S. military", while Associated Press wrote it was about 9:37 a.m.

The Pentagon was renovated at exactly the same wing, which was hit. Just a "coincidence"? (See Controlled Cleanup)

Where did the Debris go? Mr. Walker Lee Evey, Pentagon renovation program manager (Thursday, March 7, 2002 - 11:02 a.m. EST): Q: Where did all that debris go? Evey: It went to a landfill in King George County. We went to King George County and talked to them, outlined our program, described what we were doing, why we needed to do it and what was involved in the recovery effort. King George County, Virginia defenselink.mil/news/Mar2002/020307-D-6570C-001.pdf.pdf

The aircraft approached the building from the west side at very low altitude, just skimming across the heliport side of the building, entered Wedge One adjacent to Radial Corridor 4, traveled at about a 45 degree angle through the building toward Radial Corridor 5, and it went through the areas underneath Rings E, D and C. That we've undertaken to repair the building is first what we called the Phoenix Project. The Phoenix Project is that portion of the building that had to be demolished and then rebuilt, reconstructed. And that area is fairly large in size. It turned out ultimately to be about 400,000 square feet of building that we had to demolish. Q: What were you doing for the Air Force? Evey: My background is contracting. I was a contracts person in the Air Force.

Pentagon lied first on Security Cam on September 11th: "....The Pentagon confirmed in September 2001, that their security camera didn't capture the crash. So which camera did shoot the pictures, which had been released two weeks ago? It wasn't the camera from the hotel close to the Pentagon. gertzfile.com/ring092101.html ..."

September 21, 200 "..A security camera atop a hotel close to the Pentagon may have captured dramatic footage of the hijacked Boeing 757 airliner as it slammed into the western wall of the Pentagon. Hotel employees sat watching the film in shock and horror several times before the FBI confiscated the video as part of its investigation..." Source: humanunderground.com/11september/pent.html

The NEXCOMM camera captured the Pentagon crash: "...Security cameras at a NEXCOM-operated gas station recorded the Sept. 11 crash of a hijacked passenger airliner into the Pentagon, Navy sources have said. The security tape, which sources said clearly shows the American Airlines jet ploughing into the building and exploding, was turned over to the FBI. 

The gas station is located on a hill south of the Pentagon. Its security camera is aimed to record cars coming and going from the gas pumps. The angle of the camera gives a clear view of the side of the Pentagon where the 757 jet hit, sources said. The tape's existence has not been discussed publicly by military officials or federal investigators...." NOTE: This Nexcom gas station , owned by venezuelan Citgo, pumps since May 2000 compressed natural gas and E-85, an ethanol-gasoline mixture. Sherri Wasserman Goodman, deputy undersecretary of defense for environmental security defenselink.mil/news/May2000/n05022000_20005022.html
The second security cam: 
google.co.uk/search?q=cache:cEYcct0w1g8C:www.militarymarket.com/+nex+gas+station+camera+pentagon&hl=en

The undestroyed stool in the destroyed wing:

The artistic 360 degree turn:

more here

2MuchBS' thoughts on different colors in the Pentagon video: "The first explosion in these pics has a bright yellow color, and the rest of the shots show a orange color more relative to a jet fuel explosion? The first shot of this explosive flash would be difficult for an explosives expert to refer to as a jet fuel explosion. Bright yellow color is the result of a well balanced oxidation process. Also notice that a few pieces of debris were reflected away from the crash, but were super heated. And their momentum was quickly dissipated. 

How come the peices of plane weve been shown had no heat damage?" 

And another good compilation of Pentagon info: apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm

PlaguePuppy home.attbi.com/~jmking

Steve Riskus Pentagon pictures from September 11th: http://criticalthrash.com http://criticalthrash.com/terror/ 10:42 AM (2 pictures), 10:43 AM (14 pictures) Steve Riskus (->) Website was created on September 10th, 2001 and originally planned as a skater-website.

Amigaphils Questions: amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html 

Some of the unanswered questions: Why was the grass near the pentagon impact, in near perfect shape, when the GIF shows it had touched the ground several hundred feet before impact with the pentagon? How did the craft get around the huge electrical wire spools that were directly in its path, and in front of the pentagon face? Why was there a bright yellow flash upon impact, followed by a typical Jet fuel fire of the appropriate orange color? What piece of wrecked aircraft could have caused the clean hole deep in the inner rings of the pentagon? If this piece was an engine, why not 2 holes? Are there large weapons on top of the Pentagon poised to shoot down hostile aircraft? Or not? Gerard Holmgrens (->) research on all "witnesses": ontario.indymedia.org/local/webcast/uploads/did_anyone_see_flight_77.doc http://nyc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=25646&group=webcast

Reference to Operation Northwoods: "...On one such flight, a pre-briefed pilot would fly tail-end Charley at considerable interval between aircraft. While near the Cuban Island this pilot would broadcast that he had been jumpedby MIGs and was going down. No other calls would be made. The pilot would then fly directly west at extremely low altitude and land at a secure base, an Elgin auxiliary. The aircraft would be met by the proper people, quickly stored and given a new tail number. The pilot who had performed the mission under an alias, would resume his proper identity and return to his normal place of business. The pilot and aircraft would then have disappeared..."

Hoaxbuster's speculation: Did the Pentagon just "add" two attacks (Flight 93 shutdown, Flight 77 Relocate and Missile into the Pentagon) while having prior knowlegde or the blueprint at all? www.hoaxbuster.com/hdossier/pentagone/pentagone.html (french) Other sources: boeing.com/commercial/757family/technical.html airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=101 geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust1.htm http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero14/missile/temoins_en.htm geocities.com/killtown/flight77.html ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/ The very first photo, before any fireman arrived on the lawn:

Emmanuel Ratier's Letter of Confidential Information - Faits & Documents - undertook a special investigation into the official version of the attack against the Pentagon on 11 September 2001. It was published on 1 March, eight days before the publication of Thierry Meyssan's book, 11 September 2001. L'effroyable imposture [translated as The Big Lie in the English edition], which sold more than 170,000 copies in three weeks and which was recently reviewed by us (Resurrection no 16, April 2002, p. 24-26). Emmanuel Ratier published a document on the Internet on 18 October, one month after the attacks.

On 21 March, it was in fact to him that Le Monde and Actualité juive gave first prize for this incredible news, illustrated with a series of photographs entitled: No plane crashed into the Pentagon. As surprises go, it was indeed a surprise! Incredible? One has only to examine the AFP photo, above, to understand that it is the pure and simple truth: it stares one in the face! The photograph was taken in the first minutes of the fire. Firetrucks are on the scene, but as yet these vehicles have not gone into action. Moreover, the upper floors of the building are yet to collapse.

Now, there is no trace of significant debris, no engine, no black box, no undercarriage. Nothing! And yet, according to the official version, a Boeing 757-200, an air freighter with a wingspan of 38.05 m, a length of 47.30 m, a height of 13 m and a weight of 100 tons, struck the ground and first floors of the front of the building, hedge-hopping as it approached, flying just a few metres above the ground at a minimum speed of 400 km per hour, without knocking down a single streetlamp or even causing any damage to the magnificent lawn in the foreground, the car park, or the helipad. Was Ratiers picture "photoshopped"? democraticunderground.com 

Official Pentagon-Pilot Hani Hanjour ignored in a Top 20 "Web of Terror"-Graphic, while Atta, Jarrah and Al-Shehhi is "No.8-10". nypost.com/news/worldnews/57212.htm 

The Pentagon investigation, though still sensitive and systematically interrupted by disinfo wannabee agents, continued at DU. Between September 2002 and December 2002 Pt.3-5. New analysis by Holmgren,Gerard · Friday October 25, 2002

alberta.indymedia.org/news/2002/10/4578.php
lebensaspekte.de/groundzero/holmgren_pentagon_nov2002.html

Eric Hufschmidt (->) Martin Doutre and demodewd regard this hole as merely the portion of the facade which was unfinished at the time of the attack. Bolobuffin, DU on Limestones: 

nzaif.com/pentagon/pentagon911.html 
http://renovation.pentagon.mil/IMAGES/Phoenix/Page.html "

...Look at these pictures of the current renovation work at the Pentagon. The first limestone in the new facade was placed on February 25, 2002. The facade is listed as 80% complete on May 14, THREE MONTHS LATER..." Disinfo-"agents" on Pentagon-Collapse?: Anablep aka Sarah Roberts, LARED (ex-Mediawhores), Vincent Vega, Bolobuffin

From an Democraticunderground.Com Pentagon-discussion thread: "...Astaneh-Asl has uncovered pieces of structural steel that bear gouge marks - material removed as the Boeing 767s tore through the buildings. One column shows the impact of what Astaneh-Asl believes to be AN AIRPLANE WING SLICING THROUGH THE STEEL; another, the curve of a plane's nose. THESE MARKS, Astaneh-Asl explains, COULD BE MADE ONLY BY A SHARP OBJECT MOVING VERY FAST. (One estimate clocked the impact speed of the jetliners at 300 miles/480 kilometers per hour.) architectureweek.com/2001/1017/news_1-2.html

Asteneh-Asl's examination of the debris found that steel flanges, once an inch thick, became paper-thin after the disaster. He reportedly found PIECES OF STRUCTURAL STEEL WITH GOUGE MARKS IDENTIFYING WHERE A BOEING 767 STRUCK, INCLUDING ONE SEGMENT THAT APPEARS TO HAVE BEEN SLICED BY AN AIRPLANE WING, and another by the plane's nose. Asteneh-Asl is also part of a team assembled by the American Society of Civil Engineers to investigate the trade center site and reconstruct the failure of the buildings Professor of Civil Engineering The University of California at Berkeley tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/News/News1-0112.html ..."

Demodewd Questions: "...What happens to the fuselage/nose after it intersects the floor column between the two floors? Which floor is it actually on? Does it grind its way through the floor/ceiling? How does the nose sustain structural integrity through 3 buildings and a assortment of columns? How does the nose find its way through the back wall of the first floor of the C ring? Why is there no observable burned area at the far left corner of the E-Ring blast area and yet there is evident blast destruction? Why is there a blasted out hole in the recessed area where the right wing of a 757 supposedly hit and yet the wing could have hit only the projected columns? Why is there profound damage at the more extreme right wing end and none closer in above the second floor column? Why is the blast so obviously devastating in the left wing section as to being so apparently weaker in the right wing area? Wouldn't the observable buckled columns attain that status because of the increased weight put on them from those columns that have been eliminated? Why is the left wing of the plane graphic that displays its immediate approach to the building disproportionately high? Wouldn't the engine actually be scraping the ground? Where is the rubble? Is there facade rubble observable? Wouldn't I see rubble splattered on the cars in front of the far left side of the blasted out area? If this was a 757 was it remotely controlled? Is it humanly possible to navigate a 757 in this manner when you are a commercial jet flying novice? Why would the hijackers elect to fly in such a dangerous and unpredictable manner? Why would they choose to crash into the West Wing?...the most up to date fortified section of the entire building? Why wouldn't the pilot just nose dive into the center of the Pentagon...what a logistical nightmare that would have been!"

Witness accounts of debris on Ron Harvey's website- the "moving debris": dragonslair.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/77/ffdd.html "

...The Infamous piece of debris that supposedly comes from the letter C or A from the AA logo is about 5 feet long, the painted part of which is less than half of that, yet the lettering of AA logos on their 757s are just over 4 feet wide. Care to explain how this can be possible? 

Did AA paint smaller lettering on this one plane or is it a case of, Honey, I shrunk the Airliner? The pictures from airliner.net allow for a much better comparison of the relative sizes. Taking the door on the plane to be 6', it a screen rez of 1024*768, it measures approx. 36mm high by 18mm wide the letter n measures approx. 17mm by 17mm, which is approx. 50% of the height of the door. So if the lettering is approx. 3' wide the size still doesnt match up to the piece of wreckage. Military photographer from the Pentagon: Navy Lt. Commander David Tarantino Lt. Kevin Schaeffer from the Navy Command Center ARFF Captain Michael Defina Rep. Ted Tiahrt LTC Victor Correa CM Sgt. John Monaccio's report: "I was in room 1B461. Firefighters Carlton Burkhammer and Brian Moravitz "spotted an intact seat from the plane's cockpit with a chunk of the floor still attached." Burkhammer also "spotted lime-green pieces from the interior of the plane" within the building. http://www.msnbc.com/news/635293.asp 

The fireball analysis of Montalk: There is security camera footage which shows the fireball develop, but not the plane. The claim is that the four frames cover 4/100s of a second which is not what one would expect from any normal type of video equipment, and would be especially silly for a security camera. This site thinks it's wrong too: montalk.net/pentagon.html paulboutin.weblogger.com/2002/03/14

Pentagon Mascal Mass casualty exersice september 11