Daniel Hopsicker's Own Key Sources on Mena Call Him a

"Liar"



The exchange begins with Daniel Hopsicker article on

Russell Welch, a key source of the former's Mena

allegations who denounces the reporter. BTW, this

article on the anthrax attacks is itself largely

speculation, ie. nonsense. The mailings of the spores

was much more than a "diversion" from the allegations

of the nascent 9/11 Truth Movement, as Hopsicker

claims without substance. The anthrax ushered in the

Patriot Act, under consideration at the time, and

enriched BioPort, the primary manufacturer of the

(contaminated) vaccine forced on American troops in

Iraq. The Bush administration tried to make the case

that the anthrax originated in Iraq, and nearly became

a justification for war, but that one didn't fly.



Hopsicker himself, in the first article, vouches for

the integrity of Russell Welch, an associate of Barry

Seal. Welch describes Hopsicker as a "liar," among

other things.



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Anthrax And The Politics Of Terror



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Anthrax And The Politics Of Terror 

By Daniel Hopsicker 

eco...@earthlink.net 

1-7-2 

Despite Attorney General Ashcroft's statements that

the anthrax ?mailings had a domestic source, most

Americans are still making an ?association between the

bio-terror scare and Osama Bin Laden s Arab

?terrorists. 

This is understandable. Americans yearn to see at

least one of the ?heinous crimes committed against the

American people last fall solved, and ?its

perpetrators punished. 

But there s always been something a little hinky

suspicious about ?the anthrax terror that followed

hard on the heels of the Sept 11 disaster. 

Just as people began asking questions about how

Mohamed Atta and his ?terrorist cadre could have

infiltrated so easily into our country... the ?anthrax

hit. 

And immediately America's obedient media turned its

full attention ?to the bio-terror threat. And although

some (relatively) brave FBI agents ?complained loudly

when they were pulled off the investigation into Atta

and ?his terrorist buddies and transferred to the

anthrax case, it was all to no ?avail. 

Case Closed? 

Anyone who was still waiting for Colin Powell s

promised "white ?paper" on the terrorists was wasting

their time. 

"Case closed," said Atty. Gen. Ashcroft. 

The results of this sudden change of focus are today

everywhere ?around us. There is still no coherent

chronology of the WTC disaster. And ?surprise surprise

there are still no suspects in custody in the murder

of ?five poor souls unlucky enough to have gotten

dusted with deadly white ?powder. 

Perhaps the bio-terrorists have slipped out of the

country, and are ?now riding around on motorbikes

through the Afghan countryside with Mullah ?Omar. 

Follow the dancing ball 

Could the anthrax scare have been intended as a

diversion? Could ?bio-terror have been unleashed on

the American people to divert their ?attention from

seeking a coherent explanation for the holes,

discrepancies, ?and unanswered questions that the FBI

shows absolutely no interest in ?clearing up? 

Then came the recent news that either our CIA or our

military is the ?original source of the anthrax used

in the letters to Senators Daschle & ?Leahy... 

And that s when we remembered Russell Welch, an

investigator for the ?Arkansas State Police who had

been trying to blow the whistle a dozen years ?ago on

the massive cocaine smuggling scandal unfolding in

front of him in ?Mena, Arkansas. 

What does an obscure state cop in an obscure state

have to do with ?today s bio-terror? 

Russell Welch was exposed to weaponized anthrax over a

decade ago ?when he opened a letter which released

electrostatically charged floating ?spores in his

face. 

"I got so sick that my wife had to help me to the

car," Welch told ?us several years ago, when we

interviewed him for our two-hour documentary ?(banned

from TV) about the Mena Scandal called "The Secret

Heartbeat of ?America." 

"Luckily we had a doctor in town, a Vietnam vet, who

when he saw me ?immediately called the Center for

Disease Control in Atlanta." 

Prompt diagnosis saved Welch s life, if not his

health. As Welch can ?tell you, anthrax is extremely

nasty stuff... 

"The next day a doctor came into my room and asked me

how much ?danger was involved with my job," Welch

relates. "I told her danger was ?pretty much inherent

with the job, because I was a cop that generally

?handled major cases, and asked why she wanted to

know." 

The doctor told Welch, "I think you ve been poisoned

with anthrax. ?Somebody did this to you." 

Later his doctor's office was burglarized, and test

results and ?correspondence with Center for Disease

Control officials in Atlanta were ?stolen. 

No one has fingered Al Qaeda for the burglary of

Russell Welch s ?doctor s office. So clearly, some

other organization must have been ?involved. 

If it worked once... 

Anthrax was used to silence Welch, and stop him from

investigating ?the CIA cocaine smuggling operation

associated with Barry Seal at the ?infamous Mena

Arkansas airport. 

Bio-terror was employed on an Arkansas State law

enforcement officer ?to stop his investigation into a

CIA aviation scandal. 

Russell Welch was targeted, either to make him an

asset... or to ?make him dead. 

No one we know of has been asking why two Democratic

senators, and ?the major media, were targeted with

anthrax. No one has wondered aloud why, ?say,

Republican Senator Shelby from Alabama was spared, and

Senator Daschle ?wasn't... 

Could someone be sending a similar message to the one

sent Russell ?Welch a dozen years ago to two

influential Democratic Senators today? 

Are these two episodes related? 

Could someone be engineering this bio-terror crisis to

silence ?anyone from questioning the "official version

of events?" 

Steering the American public s focus away from

potentially damaging ?revelations about Mohamed Atta

and his cadre s possibly explosive past links ?to

people inside our own government? 

Maybe somebody should ask. Over to you, Senator. ? ___

?www.madcowprod.com 

Welch Couldn't Find His Ass in the Dark--(with both

hands)

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> >You remember him, don't you, Hopsucker? He's the 

> >guy whose notes you wouldn't look at. 

>  s, Hopsicker, when they 

> were right there on the table in front of you? How

come you never 

> answer this question? 

> Billy 

> VRWC fronteer 

> http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html 

I have received email asking me to respond to a query

about welch. 

okay. i'll do it, for my correspondent. and it figures

it would be 

crypoto-fascist roy-cohn wanna-be beck who brings it

up. 



Perhaps if he learned to use english. When heu says, 

"Why weren't you interested in Welch's file?" what,

specifically, are 

you 

talking about. 



when he says, "Don't you think it's a little weird for

you to 

> come around asking about Welch's veracity *now*?" to

what statement of mine do 



you refer? 

>econtv wrote: 

>> But, germane to the Mena Coverup, Welch is fair

game, as are we all, 

>> and will be judged by the verdict of history, the

first drafts of which 

>> are being prepared even now, Billy Beck, by your

betters. 

>If you make some $$$ on it, you're going to be judged

>by a jury of your peers, in a civil suit. 

Now now, don't scare him off...rope, more rope. 

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econtv wrote: 

> But, germane to the Mena Coverup, Welch is fair

game, as are we all, 

> and will be judged by the verdict of history, the

first drafts of which 

> are being prepared even now, Billy Beck, by your

betters. 





If you make some $$$ on it, you're going to be judged 

by a jury of your peers, in a civil suit. 

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Are you going to sit there and deny: 

That you were in Russell Welch's home to

interview him? 



That he presented for your inspection his

complete investigative 

file on his kitchen table? 



That you did not examine it? 



Is that your story? 



Billy 



VRWC fronteer 

http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html 



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j...@inxpress.net wrote: 

> econtv wrote: 

> > But, germane to the Mena Coverup, Welch is fair

game, as are we all, 

> > and will be judged by the verdict of history, the

first drafts of which 

> > are being prepared even now, Billy Beck, by your

betters. 

> If you make some $$$ on it, you're going to be

judged 

> by a jury of your peers, in a civil suit. 

promises, promises. 

> Billy Beck wrote in message

<35e7f292.26921...@news.mindspring.com>... 





this beck guy--does anybody else get that salieri

vibe? 

Daniel Hopsicker 



http://www.madcowprod.com 

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For slander, peckerwood. And possibly for making

threats. 

> If Hopsicker were to publish something about Mena

which 

> was way off base, why in the hell should Osmalov

care? 



I'd care about that because I value the truth. But I

wouldn't 

be suing over it. I'd be riding his skanky back over

it, 

like I have been doing. 

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Keep it coming, psycho. Dig it deeper. You've been

working 

on your hole for way over a year. 

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Withdraw your various slanders, if you're concerned. 

> it helps them compensate for their little dicks. 

I'm not interested in your sexual fantasies,

Hopsucker. 

> right michael? 

Bet your ass, Hopsucker. All of it. 

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I'm not one to usually assert my masculinity

Hop'sicker'. 

In this case, I would rather settle this one at high

noon. 

I would rather you try personally to kick my ass...I

accept 

the offer. Name the place...maybe you could sell

tickets. 

Name your backers, of course I have someone with 

considerable skills and noteriety working on dat one. 

De fat lady ain't sung. 



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econtv wrote in message

<35E8D905.CB080...@earthlink.net>... 

>Billy Beck wrote: 

>> econtv <eco...@earthlink.net> wrote: 

>> >Billy Beck wrote: 

>> >>  Are you going to sit there and deny: 

>> >>  That you were in Russell Welch's home to

interview him? 

>> >>  That he presented for your inspection

his complete 

investigative 

>> >> file on his kitchen table? 

>> >>  That you did not examine it? 

>> >>  Is that your story? 

>> >Russel Welch allowed me to take his 'files' back

to Los Angeles,... 

>>  No, he didn't, Hopsicker, and you and I

both know it. I don't 

>> know what you took to L.A. (although I do know that

Welch eventually 

>> saw through you enough that your relationship was

over before he 

>> demanded that you send it back to him), but he

never let that file out 

>> of his possession. It represented a capital

investment in his very 

>> *life*, and he's smart enough to not let a creep

like *you* get away 

>> with it. No, Hopsicker: you didn't even *look* at

Russell Welch's 

>> investigative file beyond the effort to open the

top folder with a 

>> thumb & forefinger and glance at the first page. 

It all happened in 

>> his home, and no place else. 

>>  You completely stiffed a major

investigative resource when it was 

>> right in front of you - where a *real* reporter

would have put on a 

>> pot of coffee, rolled up his sleeves and gone to

*work* - and then you 

>> had the nerve to ask him later about stuff like

Weinberger's "Swiss 

>> bank account number" and whether he'd steal a DOJ

document for you. 

>>  That's because you're a *punk* who; A)

can't pull your own 

>> weight, and B) isn't interested at getting at the

*facts*. 

>>  This... 

>> >When he had his hissy fit over the fact that I was

interviewing 

>> >'spooks,' as he called them, he requested the file

back, and it was 

>> >returned. 

>>  ...tells me one thing: you're cunning

enough to know which way 

>> the shit's going to fly every time you get your

narrow ass busted on 

>> this point. That's right: Welch didn't "eat" the

note, Hopsicker, and 

>> your cheesy little Bic & notepad strong-arm game

didn't work on him. 

>> He threw your ass out into the data-ditch where you

belong. 

>> >Should you be referencing anything else, you

should know that 95% 

>> >of what he's got is not original with him. 

>>  How the fuck would *you* know? 

>> Billy 

>You and Roy Cohn would have made such a fun couple!

Ah, timing! 

>-- 

>Daniel Hopsicker 

Your a liar and a sick man Hop'sicker.' You will

never 

be able to afford *real* shoes for your girlfriend

from 

this one my sicko. Talk about "birds of a

feather"...at 

least your girlfriend lies too. 

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econtv wrote in message

<35E8D759.BB41C...@earthlink.net>... 

Your Ad Here

>Bear Bottoms wrote: 

>> Billy Beck wrote in message

<35e7f292.26921...@news.mindspring.com>... 

>this beck guy--does anybody else get that salieri

vibe? 

>Daniel Hopsicker 

I just posted some devastating material fresh from 

Russ Welch which corroborates Billy Beck. 

It is easy to show what you really are Hop'sicker.' 

A sick man and a liar. 

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Stick to the *facts*, Hopsicker. 

Billy 



VRWC fronteer 

http://www.mindspring.com/~wjb3/promise.html 



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"Leo Sgouros" <lsgou...@tampabay.rr.com> wrote: 

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Seal is not in the picture Hopsicker refers to as the

boys 

in Mexico. All one has to do is ask Seal's mother and

brothers. 

I believe I posted email from Ben Seal stating such. 

If it didn't 

make it to this ng, then perform a dejanew.com search

with Ben 

Seal as the keyword and you will find it. Seal is in

the second 

picture in front of a helicopter with two other men. 

Hopsicker 

called them mafiosos but in fact the smaller gent was

the then 

mayor of New Orleans. It was a promotional picture

for a planned 

helicopter service between New Orleans and Baton Rouge

that 

Barry and Ben planned. There is no link between Barry

Seal and 

David Ferrie. Ben Seal also cleared that allegation

of Hopsicker's 

up. Ferrie was an aquaintence of Ben's, but Ben

states that 

Barry didn't know him. Ben also says there is no meat

to the 

allegation that Ferrie flew a getaway airplane from

Dallas. He 

laughs at the notion that Barry had anything to do

with such. 

I do too. Seal was married to my sister at the time

and teaching 

me how to fly. We had dinner the evening that we

learned of 

Kennedy's assassination. I remember it well as my

sister cried 

as we discussed it. 

Hopsicker is unethical as it gets. Russell Welch

calls him 

a charlatan and anyone who knows of Hopsicker's

dealings with the Mena 

affairs will also attest to the same. He finally got

laughed 

out of the alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater ng. 

Perform 

a dejanews.com search with Russell Welch as a keyword

and read 

what he has to say about Hopsicker. 



As for questions about the veracity of my claims

regarding 

the pictures, Seal's whole family will verify them. 

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In article <34C3F75E.B707D...@earthlink.net>,

eco...@earthlink.net wrote: 

>You are interested in getting Clinton, if and only if

>you can protect Republicans at the same time. 

>And it won't be--and here's MY opinion-- 

> until people inb this country GET OVER themselves 

>about this false repub/demo deal... 

Now this is a curious charge you're making, Hopsicker.



Would you please cite one or two examples, to

demonstrate 

who and what you're talking about? 

> You forget, of course, to note that you have nothing

from welch, 

> although, knowing you, god knows you've tried. 

No, Hopsicker, you just want to continue to play 

schoolyard games. The issue isn't whether or not 

Welch commented on your fantasy video -- he didn't, 

because he wouldn't watch it -- even though that's 

what you want it to be. The issue is whether or 

not the video is the product of a bullshit huckster 

running off to embrace wild, untenable stories, 

*the basis of which, before they were warped, 

came from Welch and his work*. 

My comments about you and your video, and your 

abdication of 



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j...@inxpress.net wrote: 

> > Here's some: 

> > It's a fantasy. You didn't do due diligence. You

don't have 

> > corroboration. You make untenable leaps to reach

misleading 

> > and inaccurate conclusions. It is a propaganda

piece, and 

> > nothing more. 

> >You are entitled to your opinion. 

> > The "sources" you spoke to got their information

from 

> > Welch and/or the evidence he had amassed, and then

> > ran off into never-never land with it; that's what

he 

> > told you. And so you ran off into never-never land

and 

> > produced a slick piece of crap, when you had a

*unique* 

> > chance to expose the truth about the myths, which

would 

> > have done a major service, and would have advanced

the 

> > search for the truth. You decided to become a

clown, 

> > instead. 

> Again, your opinion is protected under the 1st

amendment, 

> unless, like gary webb,or,soon, michael isikoff, you

exercise it. 





Facts are facts. You lied about Wendell Seal. You lied



about Bottoms being complicit in Seal's murder. When 

you left out your knowledge, described by Bottoms, of 

Seal's meeting with Bush, and instead breathily told 

of Bush's phone number being among Seal's belongings, 

as if it were a big, pregnant mystery, you effectively



lied, created a false impression, smeared bullshit

over 

the truth, to advance your agenda. 

> But your statements of 'fact' are all wrong. 

> NAME ONE INTERVIEWEE ON MY SHOW who peddles myths,

or 

> got their info from welch.THERE AREN'T ANY. 

It's the executive producer I'm concerned with here, 

Hopsicker. You trade in smears and heavy breathing 

innuendo, and the result is that people who watch 

your tape wind up further away from the truth of what 

happened. And someone, somewhere, is smiling, as 

you do his dirty work for him. 

You had a real shot at doing something important. 

You turned it into a carnival, and drove Russell 

Welch into withdrawal from the effort to peel away 

the fog. 



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I will wear your condemnation,sir, as a badge of

honor, 

since it places me in the company of men and women

like 

Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton. 



BTW...what have YOU heard about Seal flying the

get-away 

plane in Dallas? 



Daniel Hopsicker 

Executive Producer 

http://www.MadCowProd.com 



the long story: 

"Scandal in contemporary U.S. life is an

institutionalized sociological 

phenomenon. It is not due primarily to

psychopathological variables, but 

is due to the institutionalization of elite wrongdoing

which has 

occcurred since 1963." 



"Many of the scandals that have occurred in the U.S.

since 1963 are 

fundamentally interrelated: that is, the same people

and institutions 

have been involved." -Prof.David Simon, "Elite

Deviance" 5th ed. 



the short story: 

"Barry Seal was to the CIA what 00 is to 7." 



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econtv wrote: 

> I will wear your condemnation,sir, as a badge of

honor, 

> since it places me in the company of men and women

like 

> Dr. Roger Morris and Sally Denton. 

You were in the room with Seal's pilot and Seal's

pursuer, 

in Russell Welch's house, in Mena. Morris and Denton

never had 

the unique opportunity you had, Hopsicker. What a

waste. 

> BTW...what have YOU heard about Seal flying the

get-away 

> plane in Dallas? 

Quit playing your childish game, Hopsicker. Do you

have 

something to reveal? Have you obtained corroboration 

for whatever it is? Or is this just going to be more 

of the same oozy innuendo? 

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